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Jon Bibb
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« Reply #45 on: May 08, 2013, 08:49:44 AM »

It does seem unfair that use of over the counter supplements which were not banned at the time should lead to a lifetime ban especially when little or no advantage has been gained from their use,perhaps a amnesty after a certain number of years would be fairer? I do believe that drug use(steroids,growth hormone etc. ) should still be unacceptable for any competitor who wants to be classed as 'natural' whenever it occured.
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Mr Hypertrophy
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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2013, 12:32:16 PM »

My Friend has started taking these, I think I will start when I want to cut, more than anything I am interested in the Nootropic profile.

My Friend is competing at NPA and BNBF this year, will any of these ingredients cause him a problem in terms of being banned

Serving Size: 1 Pack

Therm Complex: 750mg
-Caffeine Anhydrous: 180mg
-Kola Nut: 180mg
-Guarana: 180mg
-Yerba Mate: 180mg
-Cocoa Extract: 30mg

Metabolic Complex: 750mg
-Green Tea Extract (containing naturally high polyphenol and EGCG levels): 300mg
-Oolong Tea Extract (containing naturally high polyphenol and EGCG levels): 300mg
-Black Tea Extract (containing naturally high polyphenol and EGCG levels): 75mg
-Coffee Bean Extract (containing naturally high polyphenol and EGCG levels): 75mg

T Complex: 350mg
-L-Tyrosine: 250mg
-Olive Leaf Extract (15% oleuropein): 50mg
-Salvia Officinalis: 50mg

Definition Complex: 800mg
-Hawthorne Berry: 400mg
-Astragalus: 150mg
-Celery Seed: 125mg
-Juniper Berry: 125mg

Nootropic Complex: 500mg
-Choline Bitartrate: 400mg
-Bacopa Monniera (bacopasides A & B): 50mg
-Cocoa (containing Beta Phenylehtylamine): 50mg

Cort Complex: 300mg
-Siberian Ginseng: 150mg
-Acetyl L-Carnitine: 75mg
-Carnitine Fumarate: 75mg

CCK Complex: 500mg
-Cha-de-bugre: 200mg
-Psyllium Seed Husk: 100mg

Bioavailability Complex: 500mg

-Ginger Root (gingerols, shogaols): 220mg
-Cayenne: 170mg
-Grapefruit: 60mg
-Quercetin: 25mg
-Naringin (citrus): 25mg

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« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2013, 01:15:03 PM »

I think phenylethylamine is banned mate. Don't confuse it with phenylalanine which is ok.

Nice to see a product with hawthorn berry and celery seed which are naturally good for blood pressure. With all those stims its a good idea.
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« Reply #48 on: May 15, 2013, 01:36:26 PM »

I should have said, its the Universal Animal Cut product.

Here is a question, if it turns out one of the ingredients is banned but I dont tell him, surely he would pass a poly?
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« Reply #49 on: May 15, 2013, 02:33:53 PM »

I should have said, its the Universal Animal Cut product.

Here is a question, if it turns out one of the ingredients is banned but I dont tell him, surely he would pass a poly?

Depends what the question is - if it's "are you completely certain that there was no risk of a banned ingredient in any product you've taken?" then he can't say yes, if he didn't make it his business to find out and be sure.
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« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2013, 04:25:57 PM »

-Cocoa (containing Beta Phenylehtylamine): 50mg

Poo - bang goes my pre bedtime cup of cocoa, whipped cream and marshmellows - how can a man diet without his treats?
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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2013, 05:02:36 PM »

Step away from the Double Decker, Steve. Bibb is watching.
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« Reply #52 on: May 16, 2013, 05:24:03 AM »

How does that work then? If phenylethylamine is banned but they're just listing cocoa, does all cocoa contain it? Is cocoa now banned?!
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« Reply #53 on: May 16, 2013, 07:33:58 AM »

 Grin I have had the same argument re bitter orange - which I posted a while back  Grin
As one of the alkaloid derivatives is banned.
I ended up phoning them and asking.
The alkaloid on its own as a pure form is banned but the alakloid naturally occuring in bitter orange isn't - clear as mud!!

So I would hazard an educated guess at no.

Or we would all be open to being baned for nibbling a bit of choc before we go on stage - and as I prefer dark choc - with more % cocoa then I would def be out!!
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« Reply #54 on: May 17, 2013, 03:17:36 AM »

I knew you had a secret weapon! Banned Lindt 70%!!!
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